Encoding/viewing NTSC signal?

1
Hi there,

I am trying to extract a video feed from an NTSC device. I have an
NTSC video signal from a component RCA cable into an analogue to
digital convertor which is then connected to an iMac via firewire.

I get a digital video signal without issue through programs like
iMovie and other media applications. I have been playing with the
demos in PsychVideoCapture without success.

Trying the PsychCamSettings.m function, I get the following output to
screen:

PTB-INFO: OpenGL-Renderer is ATI Technologies Inc. :: ATI Radeon HD
2400 XT OpenGL Engine :: 2.0 ATI-1.5.24
PTB-INFO: Renderer has 128 MB of VRAM and a maximum 119 MB of texture
memory.
PTB-Info: VBL startline = 1050 , VBL Endline = -1
PTB-Info: Beamposition queries unsupported on this system. Will try to
use kernel-level vbl interrupts as fallback.
PTB-Info: Measured monitor refresh interval from VBLsync = 16.665254
ms [60.005085 Hz]. (50 valid samples taken, stddev=0.047283 ms.)
PTB-Info: Small deviations between reported values are normal and no
reason to worry.
PTB-INFO: Using OpenGL GL_TEXTURE_RECTANGLE_EXT extension for
efficient high-performance texture mapping...
PTB-WARNING: Video capture device didn't accept new capture area.
Reverting to full hardware capture area,
PTB-WARNING: Trying to only process specified ROI by restricting
conversion to ROI in software...
PTB-WARNING: Video capture device didn't accept new capture area.
Reverting to full area...


and the process hangs here.

Trying to poll for the device name/vendor/model, I get unknown as a
reply. So, it seems that perhaps the analogue-digital convertor is
not recognized, or that the signal is not being translated. I've
played with the grabber's rect size to conform to an NTSC signal
dimension, but that doesn't seem to help.

Are there only specific firewire ADV devices that this will work for?
I have no issues getting a video feed from the built-in iSight camera.

Other important information:
Matlab Version R2007b (7.5.0.338)
>> PsychtoolboxVersion
ans =
3.0.8 - Flavor: trunk - Corresponds to SVN Revision 985 but is
*locally modified* !
For more info visit:
http://svn.berlios.de/wsvn/osxptb/?rev=985&sc=0

I tried the latest trunk version, no joy with the latest beta
downloaded last night.

Computer specs:
iMac OS 10.5.2
2 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
2 GB RAM
ATI Radeon HD 2400 XT display device 128 MB onboard memory

I've looked into other methods of capturing the video feed, and there
is the Matlab Image acquisition toolbox, but that seems to be windows
only, therefore is not ideal. So, my two main questions are (1) is
there a method to capture this signal through matlab and the PTB, (2)
is there a specific analogue - video convertor that is known to work
for Matlab+PTB+OS x? Any help/advice would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks,

Kevin MacKenzie
School of Psychology, Bangor University, Wales, UK
Centre for Vision Research, York University, Canada


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PTB's Quicktime capture engine is agnostic to the type of
video capture device connected. It simply asks Quicktime
for the 1st (2nd, ...) attached device and performs a standard
setup procedure, hoping that Quicktime knows how what
it is doing.

If a specific exotic device would need unusual treatment -
or have unusual bugs in its capture driver - we couldn't
handle it. What device/model do you use?

I've tested the QT engine with the built-in iSight, some
Firewire consumer DV video camera (some Sony DSC something),
and two Firewire machine vision cameras (Unibrain Fire-i and
Basler 602bc) - the limited test set i had.

Quicktimes capture engine is sometimes quite fragile
and buggy in my experience - always good for some
surprise, so i wouldn't be too surprised if you hit some
corner case. It often has problems choosing the
spec'd 'rect'angle or framerate for example. Have you
tried different framerates, e.g., 30 and 60 fps, or
a rectangle half the height, e.g., 240 instead 480?
Maybe something funky is going on with interlaced
video material...

Did you add some debug output to the test scripts,
e.g., VideoCaptureDemo to find out at which command
exactly matlab is hanging?

You can also do a Screen('Preference', 'Verbosity', 10);
to get a bit more debug output.

Another option would be to test the new Firewire
capture engine iff your converter box is a firewire
connected IIDC compliant device:

Screen('Preference', 'DefaultVideocaptureEngine', 1);

that won't work with consumer equipment though.

-mario


--- In psychtoolbox@yahoogroups.com, "franswcornelissen" <f.w.cornelissen@...> wrote:
>
> Kevin,
>
>
> We've been using the Canopus ADVC-110 converter on a macbook pro and powerbook
G4
> to record video.
> I don't recall there were any complications and it did work okay with the recording
> demo's of PTB.
>
> gr.
> frans
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In psychtoolbox@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Mackenzie <k.j.mackenzie@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi there,
> >
> > I am trying to extract a video feed from an NTSC device. I have an
> > NTSC video signal from a component RCA cable into an analogue to
> > digital convertor which is then connected to an iMac via firewire.
> >
> > I get a digital video signal without issue through programs like
> > iMovie and other media applications. I have been playing with the
> > demos in PsychVideoCapture without success.
> >
> > Trying the PsychCamSettings.m function, I get the following output to
> > screen:
> >
> > PTB-INFO: OpenGL-Renderer is ATI Technologies Inc. :: ATI Radeon HD
> > 2400 XT OpenGL Engine :: 2.0 ATI-1.5.24
> > PTB-INFO: Renderer has 128 MB of VRAM and a maximum 119 MB of texture
> > memory.
> > PTB-Info: VBL startline = 1050 , VBL Endline = -1
> > PTB-Info: Beamposition queries unsupported on this system. Will try to
> > use kernel-level vbl interrupts as fallback.
> > PTB-Info: Measured monitor refresh interval from VBLsync = 16.665254
> > ms [60.005085 Hz]. (50 valid samples taken, stddev=0.047283 ms.)
> > PTB-Info: Small deviations between reported values are normal and no
> > reason to worry.
> > PTB-INFO: Using OpenGL GL_TEXTURE_RECTANGLE_EXT extension for
> > efficient high-performance texture mapping...
> > PTB-WARNING: Video capture device didn't accept new capture area.
> > Reverting to full hardware capture area,
> > PTB-WARNING: Trying to only process specified ROI by restricting
> > conversion to ROI in software...
> > PTB-WARNING: Video capture device didn't accept new capture area.
> > Reverting to full area...
> >
> >
> > and the process hangs here.
> >
> > Trying to poll for the device name/vendor/model, I get unknown as a
> > reply. So, it seems that perhaps the analogue-digital convertor is
> > not recognized, or that the signal is not being translated. I've
> > played with the grabber's rect size to conform to an NTSC signal
> > dimension, but that doesn't seem to help.
> >
> > Are there only specific firewire ADV devices that this will work for?
> > I have no issues getting a video feed from the built-in iSight camera.
> >
> > Other important information:
> > Matlab Version R2007b (7.5.0.338)
> > >> PsychtoolboxVersion
> > ans =
> > 3.0.8 - Flavor: trunk - Corresponds to SVN Revision 985 but is
> > *locally modified* !
> > For more info visit:
> > http://svn.berlios.de/wsvn/osxptb/?rev=985&sc=0
> >
> > I tried the latest trunk version, no joy with the latest beta
> > downloaded last night.
> >
> > Computer specs:
> > iMac OS 10.5.2
> > 2 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
> > 2 GB RAM
> > ATI Radeon HD 2400 XT display device 128 MB onboard memory
> >
> > I've looked into other methods of capturing the video feed, and there
> > is the Matlab Image acquisition toolbox, but that seems to be windows
> > only, therefore is not ideal. So, my two main questions are (1) is
> > there a method to capture this signal through matlab and the PTB, (2)
> > is there a specific analogue - video convertor that is known to work
> > for Matlab+PTB+OS x? Any help/advice would be greatly appreciated!
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Kevin MacKenzie
> > School of Psychology, Bangor University, Wales, UK
> > Centre for Vision Research, York University, Canada
> >
> >
> > --
> > Gall y neges e-bost hon, ac unrhyw atodiadau a anfonwyd gyda hi,
> > gynnwys deunydd cyfrinachol ac wedi eu bwriadu i'w defnyddio'n unig
> > gan y sawl y cawsant eu cyfeirio ato (atynt). Os ydych wedi derbyn y
> > neges e-bost hon trwy gamgymeriad, rhowch wybod i'r anfonwr ar
> > unwaith a dilëwch y neges. Os na fwriadwyd anfon y neges atoch chi,
> > rhaid i chi beidio â defnyddio, cadw neu ddatgelu unrhyw wybodaeth a
> > gynhwysir ynddi. Mae unrhyw farn neu safbwynt yn eiddo i'r sawl a'i
> > hanfonodd yn unig ac nid yw o anghenraid yn cynrychioli barn
> > Prifysgol Bangor. Nid yw Prifysgol Bangor yn gwarantu
> > bod y neges e-bost hon neu unrhyw atodiadau yn rhydd rhag firysau neu
> > 100% yn ddiogel. Oni bai fod hyn wedi ei ddatgan yn uniongyrchol yn
> > nhestun yr e-bost, nid bwriad y neges e-bost hon yw ffurfio contract
> > rhwymol - mae rhestr o lofnodwyr awdurdodedig ar gael o Swyddfa
> > Cyllid Prifysgol Bangor. www.bangor.ac.uk
> >
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