Vista experience?

Our download logs show that some people out there
already downloaded PTB with MS Vista.

Any input about your PTB experience with it?

Does it work flawlessly (if one can use that term
wrt. to any use of MS-Windows), or any weird problems?

Up to now i met one user of Vista+PTB. His system
mostly works, but shows some weird behaviours
that need weird work-arounds to fix them. I'd like
to know if his system setup is an outlier or not.

asks,
-mario
Dear Mario,

Unfortunately my experience was not favourable.

PC : NEC LaVie LL550/H

Mobil AMD Sempron(TM) Processor 3400+ (1.80GHz)
ATI Radeon Xpress 1100 on Windows Vista Home Premium

I got the following error:

--------------------

PTB-WARNING: Could not bind wglChoosePixelFormat - Extension. Some
features will be unavailable, e.g., Anti-Aliasing and high precision
framebuffers.
PTB-WARNING: Your graphics driver doesn't allow me to control syncing
wrt. vertical retrace!
PTB-WARNING: Please update your display graphics driver as soon as
possible to fix this.
PTB-WARNING: Until then, you can manually enable syncing to VBL
somewhere in the display settings
PTB-WARNING: tab of your machine.


PTB-INFO: This is the OpenGL-Psychtoolbox version 3.0.8.
Type 'PsychtoolboxVersion' for more detailed version information.
PTB-INFO: Psychtoolbox is licensed to you under terms of the GNU
General Public License (GPL). See file 'License.txt' in the
PTB-INFO: Psychtoolbox root folder for a copy of the GPL license.



OpenGL-Extensions are: GL_WIN_swap_hint GL_EXT_bgra
GL_EXT_paletted_texture


WARNING: Couldn't determine end-line of vertical blanking interval
for your display! Trouble with beamposition queries?!?

WARNING: Detected end-line is 798, which is either lower or more than
25% higher than vbl startline 800 --> Out of sane range!


PTB-INFO: OpenGL-Renderer is Microsoft Corporation :: GDI Generic ::
1.1.0
PTB-WARNING: Seems that Microsofts OpenGL software renderer is
active! This will likely cause miserable
PTB-WARNING: performance and severe timing and synchronization
problems. A reason could be that you run at
PTB-WARNING: a too high display resolution, or the system is running
out of ressources for some other reason.
PTB-WARNING: Another reason could be that you disabled hardware
acceleration in the display settings panel: Make sure that
PTB-WARNING: in Display settings panel -> Settings -> Advanced ->
Troubleshoot -> The hardware acceleration slider is
PTB-WARNING: set to 'Full' (rightmost position).
PTB-Info: VBL startline = 800 , VBL Endline = 798
PTB-Info: Beamposition queries unsupported or defective on this
system. Using basic timestamping as fallback: Timestamps returned by
Screen('Flip') will be less robust and accurate.
PTB-Info: Measured monitor refresh interval from VBLsync = 16.656300
ms [60.037344 Hz]. (40 valid samples taken, stddev=2.193787 ms.)
PTB-Info: Reported monitor refresh interval from operating system =
16.666667 ms [60.000000 Hz].
PTB-Info: Small deviations between reported values are normal and no
reason to worry.

PTB-WARNING: Your graphics hardware & driver doesn't support OpenGL
rectangle textures.
PTB-WARNING: This won't affect the correctness or visual accuracy of
image drawing, but it can significantly
PTB-WARNING: degrade performance/speed and increase memory
consumption of images by up to a factor of 4!
PTB-WARNING: If you use a lot of image stimuli (DrawTexture,
Offscreen windows, Stereo display, Quicktime movies)
PTB-WARNING: and you are unhappy with the performance, then please
upgrade your graphics driver and possibly
PTB-WARNING: your gfx hardware if you need higher performance...

WARNING: Couldn't compute a reliable estimate of monitor refresh
interval! Trouble with VBL syncing?!?


----- ! PTB - ERROR: SYNCHRONIZATION FAILURE ! ----

One or more internal checks (see Warnings above) indicate that
synchronization
of Psychtoolbox to the vertical retrace (VBL) is not working on your
setup.

This will seriously impair proper stimulus presentation and stimulus
presentation timing!
Please read 'help SyncTrouble' for information about how to solve or
work-around the problem.
You can force Psychtoolbox to continue, despite the severe problems,
by adding the command
Screen('Preference', 'SkipSyncTests',1); at the top of your script,
if you really know what you are doing.


???

Error in ==> Quiz at 31
[wPtr,rect]=Screen('OpenWindow',screenNum);

----------
Any idea?
Best regards
Luis
The warnings list a couple of troubleshooting tips, but not
the most obvious one with a brandnew(?) Vista system:

You'll need to install OpenGL drivers (ICD's) from your
graphic cards vendor -> Download them from AMD/ATI's
website -- Or from your hardware vendors website if you
have a laptop which is not supported by ATI's drivers.

The default GDI Generic driver of Vista is useless for any
serious application.

The same applies to Windows2000/XP, but i guess those
systems more often came preinstalled with vendor specific
ICD's.

best,
-mario

--- In psychtoolbox@yahoogroups.com, "Luis A. Diago" <luis_a_diago@...> wrote:
>
> Dear Mario,
>
> Unfortunately my experience was not favourable.
>
> PC : NEC LaVie LL550/H
>
> Mobil AMD Sempron(TM) Processor 3400+ (1.80GHz)
> ATI Radeon Xpress 1100 on Windows Vista Home Premium
>
> I got the following error:
>
> --------------------
>
> PTB-WARNING: Could not bind wglChoosePixelFormat - Extension. Some
> features will be unavailable, e.g., Anti-Aliasing and high precision
> framebuffers.
> PTB-WARNING: Your graphics driver doesn't allow me to control syncing
> wrt. vertical retrace!
> PTB-WARNING: Please update your display graphics driver as soon as
> possible to fix this.
> PTB-WARNING: Until then, you can manually enable syncing to VBL
> somewhere in the display settings
> PTB-WARNING: tab of your machine.
>
>
> PTB-INFO: This is the OpenGL-Psychtoolbox version 3.0.8.
> Type 'PsychtoolboxVersion' for more detailed version information.
> PTB-INFO: Psychtoolbox is licensed to you under terms of the GNU
> General Public License (GPL). See file 'License.txt' in the
> PTB-INFO: Psychtoolbox root folder for a copy of the GPL license.
>
>
>
> OpenGL-Extensions are: GL_WIN_swap_hint GL_EXT_bgra
> GL_EXT_paletted_texture
>
>
> WARNING: Couldn't determine end-line of vertical blanking interval
> for your display! Trouble with beamposition queries?!?
>
> WARNING: Detected end-line is 798, which is either lower or more than
> 25% higher than vbl startline 800 --> Out of sane range!
>
>
> PTB-INFO: OpenGL-Renderer is Microsoft Corporation :: GDI Generic ::
> 1.1.0
> PTB-WARNING: Seems that Microsofts OpenGL software renderer is
> active! This will likely cause miserable
> PTB-WARNING: performance and severe timing and synchronization
> problems. A reason could be that you run at
> PTB-WARNING: a too high display resolution, or the system is running
> out of ressources for some other reason.
> PTB-WARNING: Another reason could be that you disabled hardware
> acceleration in the display settings panel: Make sure that
> PTB-WARNING: in Display settings panel -> Settings -> Advanced ->
> Troubleshoot -> The hardware acceleration slider is
> PTB-WARNING: set to 'Full' (rightmost position).
> PTB-Info: VBL startline = 800 , VBL Endline = 798
> PTB-Info: Beamposition queries unsupported or defective on this
> system. Using basic timestamping as fallback: Timestamps returned by
> Screen('Flip') will be less robust and accurate.
> PTB-Info: Measured monitor refresh interval from VBLsync = 16.656300
> ms [60.037344 Hz]. (40 valid samples taken, stddev=2.193787 ms.)
> PTB-Info: Reported monitor refresh interval from operating system =
> 16.666667 ms [60.000000 Hz].
> PTB-Info: Small deviations between reported values are normal and no
> reason to worry.
>
> PTB-WARNING: Your graphics hardware & driver doesn't support OpenGL
> rectangle textures.
> PTB-WARNING: This won't affect the correctness or visual accuracy of
> image drawing, but it can significantly
> PTB-WARNING: degrade performance/speed and increase memory
> consumption of images by up to a factor of 4!
> PTB-WARNING: If you use a lot of image stimuli (DrawTexture,
> Offscreen windows, Stereo display, Quicktime movies)
> PTB-WARNING: and you are unhappy with the performance, then please
> upgrade your graphics driver and possibly
> PTB-WARNING: your gfx hardware if you need higher performance...
>
> WARNING: Couldn't compute a reliable estimate of monitor refresh
> interval! Trouble with VBL syncing?!?
>
>
> ----- ! PTB - ERROR: SYNCHRONIZATION FAILURE ! ----
>
> One or more internal checks (see Warnings above) indicate that
> synchronization
> of Psychtoolbox to the vertical retrace (VBL) is not working on your
> setup.
>
> This will seriously impair proper stimulus presentation and stimulus
> presentation timing!
> Please read 'help SyncTrouble' for information about how to solve or
> work-around the problem.
> You can force Psychtoolbox to continue, despite the severe problems,
> by adding the command
> Screen('Preference', 'SkipSyncTests',1); at the top of your script,
> if you really know what you are doing.
>
>
> ???
>
> Error in ==> Quiz at 31
> [wPtr,rect]=Screen('OpenWindow',screenNum);
>
> ----------
> Any idea?
> Best regards
> Luis
>
Dear Mario,
Thanks for your help.
I downloaded and installed the ATI drivers from the
website and Psychtoolbox ran on Windows Vista.
I'm still having some syncronization troubles (see
the information below)
Best regards
Luis
-----------------
PTB-INFO: This is the OpenGL-Psychtoolbox version
3.0.8. Type 'PsychtoolboxVersion' for more detailed
version information.
PTB-INFO: Psychtoolbox is licensed to you under terms
of the GNU General Public License (GPL). See file
'License.txt' in the
PTB-INFO: Psychtoolbox root folder for a copy of the
GPL license.

OpenGL-Extensions are: GL_ARB_depth_texture
GL_ARB_draw_buffers GL_ARB_fragment_program
GL_ARB_fragment_shader GL_ARB_multisample
GL_ARB_multitexture GL_ARB_occlusion_query
GL_ARB_point_parameters GL_ARB_point_sprite
GL_ARB_shader_objects GL_ARB_shading_language_100
GL_ARB_shadow GL_ARB_shadow_ambient
GL_ARB_texture_border_clamp GL_ARB_texture_compression
GL_ARB_texture_cube_map GL_ARB_texture_env_add
GL_ARB_texture_env_combine GL_ARB_texture_env_crossbar
GL_ARB_texture_env_dot3 GL_ARB_texture_float
GL_ARB_texture_mirrored_repeat
GL_ARB_texture_rectangle GL_ARB_transpose_matrix
GL_ARB_vertex_buffer_object GL_ARB_vertex_program
GL_ARB_vertex_shader GL_ARB_window_pos
GL_ATI_draw_buffers GL_ATI_envmap_bumpmap
GL_ATI_fragment_shader GL_ATI_meminfo
GL_ATI_separate_stencil GL_ATI_texture_env_combine3
GL_ATI_texture_float GL_EXT_bgra GL_EXT_blend_color
GL_EXT_blend_func_separate GL_EXT_blend_minmax
GL_EXT_blend_subtract GL_EXT_compiled_vertex_array
GL_EXT_copy_texture GL_EXT_draw_range_elements
GL_EXT_fog_coord GL_EXT_framebuffer_object
GL_EXT_gpu_program_parameters GL_EXT_multi_draw_arrays
GL_EXT_packed_depth_stencil GL_EXT_packed_pixels
GL_EXT_point_parameters GL_EXT_rescale_normal
GL_EXT_secondary_color GL_EXT_separate_specular_color
GL_EXT_shadow_funcs GL_EXT_stencil_wrap
GL_EXT_subtexture GL_EXT_texgen_reflection
GL_EXT_texture3D GL_EXT_texture_compression_s3tc
GL_EXT_texture_cube_map GL_EXT_texture_edge_clamp
GL_EXT_texture_env_add GL_EXT_texture_env_combine
GL_EXT_texture_env_dot3
GL_EXT_texture_filter_anisotropic
GL_EXT_texture_lod_bias GL_EXT_texture_mirror_clamp
GL_EXT_texture_object GL_EXT_texture_rectangle
GL_EXT_vertex_array GL_KTX_buffer_region
GL_NV_blend_square GL_NV_texgen_reflection
GL_SGIS_generate_mipmap GL_SGIS_texture_edge_clamp
GL_SGIS_texture_lod GL_WIN_swap_hint
WGL_EXT_swap_control

WARNING: Couldn't determine end-line of vertical
blanking interval for your display! Trouble with
beamposition queries?!?

WARNING: Detected end-line is 798, which is either
lower or more than 25% higher than vbl startline 800
--> Out of sane range!

PTB-INFO: OpenGL-Renderer is ATI Technologies Inc. ::
ATI Radeon Xpress Series :: 2.0.6956 Release
PTB-Info: VBL startline = 800 , VBL Endline = 798
PTB-Info: Beamposition queries unsupported or
defective on this system. Using basic timestamping as
fallback: Timestamps returned by Screen('Flip') will
be less robust and accurate.
PTB-Info: Measured monitor refresh interval from
VBLsync = 16.693278 ms [59.904352 Hz]. (50 valid
samples taken, stddev=0.038557 ms.)
PTB-Info: Reported monitor refresh interval from
operating system = 16.666667 ms [60.000000 Hz].
PTB-Info: Small deviations between reported values are
normal and no reason to worry.


----- ! PTB - WARNING: SYNCHRONIZATION TROUBLE ! ----

One or more internal checks (see Warnings above)
indicate that
queries of rasterbeam position are not properly
working for your setup.

Psychtoolbox will work around this by using a
different timing algorithm,
but it will cause Screen('Flip') to report less
accurate/robust timestamps
for stimulus timing.
Read 'help BeampositionQueries' for more info and
troubleshooting tips.

--- Mario Kleiner <mario.kleiner@...>
escribió:

> The warnings list a couple of troubleshooting tips,
> but not
> the most obvious one with a brandnew(?) Vista
> system:
>
> You'll need to install OpenGL drivers (ICD's) from
> your
> graphic cards vendor -> Download them from AMD/ATI's
> website -- Or from your hardware vendors website if
> you
> have a laptop which is not supported by ATI's
> drivers.
>
> The default GDI Generic driver of Vista is useless
> for any
> serious application.
>
> The same applies to Windows2000/XP, but i guess
> those
> systems more often came preinstalled with vendor
> specific
> ICD's.
>
> best,
> -mario
>
> --- In psychtoolbox@yahoogroups.com, "Luis A. Diago"
> <luis_a_diago@...> wrote:
> >
> > Dear Mario,
> >
> > Unfortunately my experience was not favourable.
> >
> > PC : NEC LaVie LL550/H
> >
> > Mobil AMD Sempron(TM) Processor 3400+ (1.80GHz)
> > ATI Radeon Xpress 1100 on Windows Vista Home
> Premium
> >
> > I got the following error:
> >
> > --------------------
> >
> > PTB-WARNING: Could not bind wglChoosePixelFormat -
> Extension. Some
> > features will be unavailable, e.g., Anti-Aliasing
> and high precision
> > framebuffers.
> > PTB-WARNING: Your graphics driver doesn't allow me
> to control syncing
> > wrt. vertical retrace!
> > PTB-WARNING: Please update your display graphics
> driver as soon as
> > possible to fix this.
> > PTB-WARNING: Until then, you can manually enable
> syncing to VBL
> > somewhere in the display settings
> > PTB-WARNING: tab of your machine.
> >
> >
> > PTB-INFO: This is the OpenGL-Psychtoolbox version
> 3.0.8.
> > Type 'PsychtoolboxVersion' for more detailed
> version information.
> > PTB-INFO: Psychtoolbox is licensed to you under
> terms of the GNU
> > General Public License (GPL). See file
> 'License.txt' in the
> > PTB-INFO: Psychtoolbox root folder for a copy of
> the GPL license.
> >
> >
> >
> > OpenGL-Extensions are: GL_WIN_swap_hint
> GL_EXT_bgra
> > GL_EXT_paletted_texture
> >
> >
> > WARNING: Couldn't determine end-line of vertical
> blanking interval
> > for your display! Trouble with beamposition
> queries?!?
> >
> > WARNING: Detected end-line is 798, which is either
> lower or more than
> > 25% higher than vbl startline 800 --> Out of sane
> range!
> >
> >
> > PTB-INFO: OpenGL-Renderer is Microsoft Corporation
> :: GDI Generic ::
> > 1.1.0
> > PTB-WARNING: Seems that Microsofts OpenGL software
> renderer is
> > active! This will likely cause miserable
> > PTB-WARNING: performance and severe timing and
> synchronization
> > problems. A reason could be that you run at
> > PTB-WARNING: a too high display resolution, or the
> system is running
> > out of ressources for some other reason.
> > PTB-WARNING: Another reason could be that you
> disabled hardware
> > acceleration in the display settings panel: Make
> sure that
> > PTB-WARNING: in Display settings panel -> Settings
> -> Advanced ->
> > Troubleshoot -> The hardware acceleration slider
> is
> > PTB-WARNING: set to 'Full' (rightmost position).
> > PTB-Info: VBL startline = 800 , VBL Endline = 798
> > PTB-Info: Beamposition queries unsupported or
> defective on this
> > system. Using basic timestamping as fallback:
> Timestamps returned by
> > Screen('Flip') will be less robust and accurate.
> > PTB-Info: Measured monitor refresh interval from
> VBLsync = 16.656300
> > ms [60.037344 Hz]. (40 valid samples taken,
> stddev=2.193787 ms.)
> > PTB-Info: Reported monitor refresh interval from
> operating system =
> > 16.666667 ms [60.000000 Hz].
> > PTB-Info: Small deviations between reported values
> are normal and no
> > reason to worry.
> >
> > PTB-WARNING: Your graphics hardware & driver
> doesn't support OpenGL
> > rectangle textures.
> > PTB-WARNING: This won't affect the correctness or
> visual accuracy of
> > image drawing, but it can significantly
> > PTB-WARNING: degrade performance/speed and
> increase memory
> > consumption of images by up to a factor of 4!
> > PTB-WARNING: If you use a lot of image stimuli
> (DrawTexture,
> > Offscreen windows, Stereo display, Quicktime
> movies)
> > PTB-WARNING: and you are unhappy with the
> performance, then please
> > upgrade your graphics driver and possibly
> > PTB-WARNING: your gfx hardware if you need higher
> performance...
> >
> > WARNING: Couldn't compute a reliable estimate of
> monitor refresh
> > interval! Trouble with VBL syncing?!?
> >
> >
> > ----- ! PTB - ERROR: SYNCHRONIZATION FAILURE !
> ----
> >
> > One or more internal checks (see Warnings above)
> indicate that
> > synchronization
> > of Psychtoolbox to the vertical retrace (VBL) is
> not working on your
> > setup.
> >
> > This will seriously impair proper stimulus
> presentation and stimulus
> > presentation timing!
> > Please read 'help SyncTrouble' for information
> about how to solve or
> > work-around the problem.
> > You can force Psychtoolbox to continue, despite
> the severe problems,
> > by adding the command
> > Screen('Preference', 'SkipSyncTests',1); at the
> top of your script,
> > if you really know what you are doing.
> >
> >
> > ???
> >
> > Error in ==> Quiz at 31
> > [wPtr,rect]=Screen('OpenWindow',screenNum);
> >
> > ----------
> > Any idea?
> > Best regards
> > Luis
> >
>
>



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